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BB4W themes?

Post by 5against4 » Fri 13 Jul 2018, 20:37

i'm sure this issue must have been discussed at some point – though a search on the current and previous fora hasn't yielded anything on it – but has there been any suggestion of offering different themes for BB4W? i know we can change the fonts and syntax colours, but i've never entirely made my peace with the bright white background.

Anyone know anything about this? i for one would love to have some options for this, particularly as it's a standard feature in all decent modern coding environments.

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Post by Zaphod » Sat 14 Jul 2018, 03:20

Hi 5:4,

I don't recall that coming up. What you may not realize is that BB4W has been out of development for several years and the design is frozen, so I very much doubt if such a feature would ever be added. But the SDL versions are still being developed. As part of the package there are two IDE's that are written in BBC BASIC and the source provided so I would assume that you could customize one of those IDE's to be as you would wish. Take a look as one of those may be closer to what you want.
As BBC BASIC can be saved as a text file with the "bas" extension you could use any other dark themed coding environment of your choice as I am sure it would also be able to save as text. Then you could load that into the BB4W IDE only for test and compilation.

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Re: BB4W themes?

Post by Patrick M » Sat 14 Jul 2018, 10:47

I think your best option is (assuming you're using windows 10) to apply windows's high contrast theme mode, and in bb4w set the text/syntax colours accordingly.

I have BB4W running on linux via wine with bright text on a dark background. One strange thing, though, is that I had to edit the registry to change the bb4w syntax/text colours, the menu option from bb4w didn't work, it's probably some bug or problem in wine.

I sometimes use the computer at night and have the same sort of requirement, so I modified SDLIDE so that the colors are inverted. I use the unmodified SDLIDE during daylight and my modified version during the night.

Here's a screenshot of how I have it set up: http://dusthillguy.ddns.net/folder/file ... olours.png

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Re: BB4W themes?

Post by 5against4 » Tue 17 Jul 2018, 18:01

Patrick M wrote:
Sat 14 Jul 2018, 10:47
I think your best option…
Hmm, well i wouldn't exactly call that suggestion anything close to a 'solution' - but i admire your creativity in finding a way around the lack of built-in themes!

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Post by 5against4 » Tue 17 Jul 2018, 18:05

Zaphod wrote:
Sat 14 Jul 2018, 03:20
What you may not realize is that BB4W has been out of development for several years and the design is frozen…
No, i didn't realise that; i assumed that it was still being 'actively' managed by Richard Russell. That's a real shame; i've been tempted numerous times to abandon BB4W and switch to something else (such as Python) for my work, but for now i've stuck with it. But knowing it's developmentally defunct doesn't really inspire one to envisage continuing using it for the long term…

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Post by Patrick M » Tue 17 Jul 2018, 19:42

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Post by Zaphod » Tue 17 Jul 2018, 22:31

You seem to be reading a lot into what I said, so let me clarify what I believe the situation to be. BB4W IS still supported by Richard. Maintenance releases would probably occur if there were a need but there are no plans for any extension or changes to the language or IDE. Version 6.11a is the latest version and was a maintenance update issued exactly a year ago. There will be no 64 bit version of BB4W.
So long as 64 bit Windows versions still support the Win32 API then nothing has changed in the viability of programming using BB4W, nor would it should Richard not be available to continue support as this is a very mature product and as bug free as any software you will ever likely buy.

Richard has been very active developing BBCSDL as you can see by the releases and would like that to continue. He also expressed his willingness to release the source if the right person could be found with the necessary skills etc. to continue the work. I don't think you need jump ship just yet, there is more to come I am sure.
I believe that all this is in public statements on the various boards, but please correct ADMIN if my understanding is incorrect in any way.

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Post by Patrick M » Wed 18 Jul 2018, 17:15

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Post by mikeg » Sat 28 Jul 2018, 01:06

As I see it, if the current versions of BBC Basic serve peoples needs as of now, its not an issue of longevity of the language. Consider that Intel will be releasing its next generation chips late next year and word is that Mac is working on their own specific chip set. The more I look around, there are possibly thousands of micro controller chips that have their own programming IDE. Even if they serve only a basic purpose. So what ever happens, happens. "All things must pass" is a universal law.

I have been toying around off and on with programming since 1982 (with a gap of around 10 years doing random stuff). I really havent done much out of the hobby bubble. But we have seen a few people really make the forum glow with thier amazing skills. I have seen DDRM and Ric and David Williams create astounding snippets. Michael Hutton I seen a bit but he went silent. I am working on a couple projects, but I have become more casual with everything.. So its up in the air at the moment. But then it is hot and I dont do much on computers during summer.

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